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Getting Ready for a New Hatchling Tortoise

Part of the excitement of getting a young tortoise is the preparation in getting everything ready for its impending arrival. Most species of tortoise have very specific physiological and physical requirements regarding housing, lighting and diet.

In cooler climates such as the UK, a tortoise needs both secure indoor and outdoor accommodation in order to thrive. If you are unable to provide an outdoor area for your tortoise during the warmer months of the year then you should seriously think of getting an alternative pet to a tortoise.

There is a lot of good information on caring for tortoises on the TPG website under the section 'The Tortoise'. Click on Care Sheets, and then look at the particular species requirements. Most reputable tortoise breeders also provide assistance in helping you get set up ready for your new pet. However what follows is a general guide for preparing for the arrival of most Mediterranean species of hatchling tortoises.

Tropical species like Redfooted tortoises and Hingebacks etc., have different requirements in relation to lighting, heating, humidity and diet, and information for these species will be added, to complement this article, at a later date.

Tortoises do make wonderful pets, providing the right kind of captive environment is provided, but this is not always as easy as at first might be thought. In their natural habitat in the wild, tortoises can and do live very long lives, which may be in excess of 100 years for most species. To ensure that a captive tortoise is afforded a similar long lifetime, the captive environment in which it is kept should mimic the environment in the wild as far as possible. This means that keeping a tortoise can be expensive for the keeper in terms of providing the right kind of accommodation, the correct heating and lighting and a diet enriched with minerals and vitamins.

Tortoise Table for Indoors

Your tortoise will need a light and airy tortoise table. This basically needs to be as big as you can make it, deep enough so the tortoises can't climb out, with solid sides and an open top. There are many places that sell really nice tortoise tables but they are quite expensive to buy and a cheaper option might be to make one yourself out of wood; or alternatively use the largest size of guinea pig cage or plastic under bed storage box. Some people use an old bookcase turned on its back with the shelves taken out. A small lip attached to the top sides of the finished table will prevent any potential escapes.

Please note that if you use an under bed storage box that has transparent sides the tortoise might constantly try to get through this as, like the transparency of glass, it doesn't understand the concept of opaque plastic. As it may cause undue stress to the tortoise, it is better to cover the outer sides with material which isn't see through. Some keepers keep it simple and use parcel tape to line the sides.


As a general guide to size, a minimum table size of approximately 1m x 600mm (3' x 2') is suitable for hatchlings, but if made to a size of 2m x 600mm (6' x 2') this will also accommodate juvenile tortoises as they continue to grow and develop. If the table is made from wood; either line the base and a few inches up the sides with a waterproof liner such as pond liner, or seal the table with a waterproof, animal safe, sealant.

Wooden or glass vivariums -- the type often sold by pet shops and sometimes as part of tortoise starter kits -- are not a good idea for several reasons:
•Tortoises from arid environments where the air humidity is low, do not do well long term in enclosed environments and despite the fact that some vivariums have ventilation holes or ventilation mesh at the back top area, air cannot fully circulate. This invariably leads to a build up of humidity within the vivarium and over a long period of time the tortoise's health may suffer.
•In addition tortoises do like to roam and the floor space within the vivarium is not large enough for the tortoise to get adequate exercise as it grows. Vivariums that have higher sides than floor area are best suited to other reptiles which prefer to climb.
•The tortoise is an ectotherm: in other words it is cold blooded, and it relies on temperature to maintain optimum health and wellbeing and therefore it needs to be able to thermoregulate (adjust its temperature). This means that it needs to be able to move from areas of higher or lower temperatures set within its normal thermal range in all parts of the vivarium. The confines of an enclosed vivarium usually result in a similar temperature in all parts of the vivarium, and so make thermoregulation virtually impossible to achieve, and invariably the tortoise will suffer if kept this way over a long period of time.


Substrate

A mixture of approx 50/50 mix of play sand and fertiliser free top soil is best for most species from arid environments which include the Mediterranean tortoises such as the Testudo Ibera and Graeca, Hermanni, Marginated and Horsfield tortoises. Some keepers use a 60/40 mix of soil and sand to good effect, but remember the sandier the environment the tortoise inhabits in the wild should reflect the ratio you will need to provide in captivity.

You will need enough to give a substrate depth within the table top of at least 25mm - 50mm (1"- 2¨). Probably a little more depth should be allowed for the Horsfield tortoise which loves to dig and tunnel.

An interesting habitat can be provided for the young tortoise by adding flattish pebbles, large stones to give different textures, allow for climbing, and they are also useful for helping to keep the claws in trim.

Sundries
•A piece of slate, flat piece of limestone or a clean ceramic tile should be provided for the tortoises to eat off.
•Despite some advice often given on out-of-date care sheets, it is really important to be aware that tortoises drink and do need a fresh supply of drinking water to be readily available at all times. A shallow water container will be required and for the new baby tortoise, flattish pebbles should be placed in it to prevent the hatchling from upturning and drowning. Flattish stones arranged around it will help prevent the tortoise trail soil through the water dish.
•Tortoise friendly plants such as a spider plant or cacti, decorative grasses and log hides can be added, not only for decoration, but to provide safe hiding places for the tortoise. In the wild, a hatchling tortoise will spend a lot of time hiding under rocks, in scrapes or under shrubs to keep safe from predators, and this instinct appears still to remain in captive-bred hatchlings, so we should strive to provide hiding places for them in a captive environment.
•A plant sprayer, to spray the substrate with water on a daily basis, will help keep the substrate slightly moist and help to keep the dust down.

Heating and Lighting

Tortoises will also need a good source of heat, ordinary light and a source of UVB light. This does two things; it provides a basking source for the tortoise and a source of UVB. Remember, tortoises are cold blooded and cannot regulate their physiological body temperature as we can. In the wild, tortoises would find a sunny spot and warm up to become active and hungry. UVB light is normally obtained directly from the sun outside and is needed for tortoises to convert calcium in the diet into healthy shell and bone. Indoors this must be provided by artificial means.

There are two options for heating and lighting and it is for the keeper to decide which type best suits their own requirements:

1. A combined single light, such as a 100w Mega Ray floodlight providing both warmth and UVB. These are very good, but you will need to be careful with them as they run very hot. The outlay is fairly expensive initially, and the bulbs will need replacing after about 1 year's use as the UVB given out declines over time. You will also need a special ceramic holder (do not use plastic) and a reflector shade. The Mega Ray bulb needs to be suspended directly overhead at a distance of about 300mm (12¨) from the tortoise, but to achieve the correct basking temperature it will need to be raised or lowered accordingly. A frame on which to suspend the bulb will be required. This can either be homemade or be a purpose-built lamp stand which can be purchased from pet or reptile shops.

The TPG do not recommend the lamp being clamped to the side of the table as the direction of light will mean it will shine directly into the tortoise's eyes and potentially damage its vision. Also, it is important that the keeper doesn't look directly into the UVB lamp, as UVB can harm human eyesight.


2. Two separate lights:
•An ordinary household 60w or a 100w spotlight can be used for the light and heat. The spotlight can be suspended from above using an ordinary light fitting or if the lamp chosen is 60w it can be located into a bendy desk lamp.
•The UVB is provided by a special UVB fluorescent tube. You will need at least a 5% UVB tube. Initial outlay will also include the purchase of a starter unit and a reflector cover. This is a cheaper option initially, but the tubes need to be replaced after about 6 months use, unless a 10% UVB tube is purchased and this will last for 12 months use. The reflector cover will aid to direct the UVB light down towards the tortoise, making it more efficient. You just need to make sure you get the correct length of tube to fit the tortoise table (make it the longest you can, so it covers a larger area,) and that the reflector is the right length for the tube.

Because tortoises need to thermoregulate you will need to be able to provide a temperature in a hot spot at one end of the enclosure of about 30°C(90°F) and a cooler end (where you can place a little hide for him to sleep) of about 20°C (70°F), and because your tortoise table is inside your house there will be no need for any lighting or heating at night.

Please note that heat mats, heat pads, heat rocks and other means for heating the tortoise from underneath are not normally recommended for tortoises and can lead to thermal burns.

Thermometer

Simple reptile thermometers or digital in/out thermometers can be purchased to measure the temperature under the basking lamp and at the cool end of the tortoise table.

Kitchen Scales

You need to weigh the tortoise on a regular basis and keep records of the weight gain. A tortoise that grows too quickly will not be healthy, so it is important to make sure you are not overfeeding him. The scales need to be digital and weigh in 1gr. increments. Ordinary household digital scales are satisfactory, but should be purchased separately and used for tortoise weighing only. You should not be using scales that you use to weigh cooking ingredients for human use.

Diet

As most tortoises are herbivores a range of natural growing fresh weeds will form the main part of their diet.

Dried tortoise pellets are not recommended as the digestive system of a tortoise is not well suited to this kind of food so please don't buy them.

Supermarket lettuces and cucumbers are tolerated but it is preferable to grow or collect weeds which are freely available for most of the year.

Minerals and Vitamins

To ensure that the tortoise is provided with adequate mineral and vitamin supplementation the following supplements need to be provided:
•Calcium carbonate in the form of limestone flour
•Nutrobal or Reptavite, a calcium and Vitamin D supplement, which is sprinkled over the food on a daily basis. This is essential for the tortoise, along with UVB light, to grow healthy shell and bone.
•Cuttlefish bone for extra calcium if your tortoise requires it and to help keep the beak in trim.

A bowl for bathing the tortoise

You will need to provide a non-see through small container which is suitable for bathing the tortoise. It should have deep enough sides to prevent the tortoise climbing out (a washing-up bowl or deep cat litter tray is often used).


Cleaning

An all purpose reptile disinfectant, or Virkon-S, or a veterinary product such as F10 will be needed for regular cleaning of all tortoise equipment and housing.

Outdoors

If it is warm enough baby tortoises can go outside. A general guide is that if it is warm enough for us to go outside wearing a sleeveless top then it is warm enough for the tortoise.

Please remember that hatchling tortoises do lose their body heat very quickly, and unless safe outdoor basking heat can be provided, they should only be outside in our English climate under supervision.

The tortoise will need a secure outdoor enclosure for the warmer weather. This needs to be secure from escape and have a substantial mesh frame over the top to keep out birds, foxes, rats and other predators. It should be well drained in the case of sudden downpours and have shade and shelter. It needs to be located in an area that receives both sun and shade.

Some ideas are:
•Raised brick flowerbed
•Converted children's sandpit
•Old butler sink
•Purpose made run with sides high enough to prevent the tortoise climbing out. A small lip around the top of the enclosure sides will prevent escape.

Whatever enclosure is chosen there should be good drainage and in the case of Horsfield tortoises, in open runs, fine mesh underneath the sand/soil substrate to prevent the tortoise digging out.

The provision of a small cold frame or a small cloche, in which an entrance can be made for the tortoise to freely enter and leave, within the run will provide a few degrees extra warmth for your tortoise.

The TPG does not recommend mesh rabbit runs, unless the lower perimeter can be boarded out to prevent the tortoise seeing out and climbing up.

We do not recommend that the hatchling tortoise run is placed solely on grass.

Do have a look at the TPG photo gallery and members' gallery to get some ideas for the type of housing you may wish to provide for your tortoise.

Tortoise equipment can be purchased from most reptile or pet shops or from many online outlets, but the TPG highly recommends Kimbos Reptile World where most of your tortoises needs can be catered for. The owner is an excellent experienced tortoise keeper and is only too happy to discuss all of your tortoise's requirements with you.

Weed Seed Mix

Not an essential, but you can grow your own tortoise food - the TLadys Mix from Herbiseed available to purchase online is especially formulated for tortoises.


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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:03 pm

We are looking at the leopard who does not hibernate ... the hermanni and the horsefield seem to be the easiest to care for .. still looking ..
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:03 pm

Pro Rep to a tortoise garden as well - approx. 25 for the starter kit x
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:05 pm

Thanks Helen ...

Had a long chat with Ed last night .. i have wanted one for a very long time and he is fine with it , cramming up on research and thinking about digging over a area in the garden like Jo said and growing our own food as well as brought produce .x
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:12 pm

lots of very good info in there xx
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:18 pm

Yeahhh i am exciting .. we have been thinking of some names ..

we like Murtle for a girl ...boys have no idea although i think i would perfer a boy x
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:22 pm

girls;
shelly, michelle,

boys;
sheldon


lol, all i got Razz xx
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Titan?
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 1:32 pm

Most tortoises like to dig too Lou so it's worth keeping this in mind. Lots of people have reported their tortoises missing, some have either dug their way under their fence and gone missing for good. Whilst others have just found them the next day when they have uncovered themselves to be back out in the daylight. My Pringle would always try and cover himself up early evening.

The other thing to be careful of is when they are small, watch out for birds coming down and picking them up! Especially magpies or seagulls Sad

Depending on how old your tortoise is when you get him / her, you may not be able to tell whether he is a she or not....

The reason I gave my Pringle his name was because I got him at 6 months old and his shell was just the size and shape of a pringle Very Happy

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I am hoping to go for a older one Mel via a rescue if i can ... i have applied for one that is 50 years old ...x

We will be keeping him indoors .. i think .. and putting out in the garden in the day like Jo does .

still got so much to learn .x
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awwww turtles are cute and i like murtle..murtle turtle...i call squirt, squirtle turtle even thou she isn't a turtle laugh x
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I am very excited and so are the girls , still looking though :O(
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I have found a rescue not far from me .. so going to contact them later ......
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yay xx
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PostSubject: Re: Researching my new pet ...   Researching my new pet ... Icon_minitimeMon Aug 06, 2012 2:29 pm

I'm sure you will find one soon Lou, we have a girl called lesley !!! When it's wet or cold I have her out and give her the freedom of the conservatory so she can get some excercise . That are quite easy to look after once you are in a routine with them , also in the winter I grow the weeds in the conservatory so it's available all year round . If I get short of fresh weeds I sometimes buy the bags of mixed leaf salads that you get from the supermarkets . Happy tortoise hunting :-) xx
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